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Hi Again, Here are some more pictures, this time of the Walthew A/2 Glider [004-006]. I converted this model from Free Flight Towline to Electric power & RC control. Plan again from OuterZone. Thanks & Best Regards from Melbourne Australia,
Bruce Jacques : Walthew A/2 Glider : 05/07/2022

Hi There, Please find photos of my latest plane built from plans which I downloaded from your site [main pic, 006]. I have also included a sheet of decals I have made matching the originals as well as a .dxf for cut sheets of some of the balsa components. Been great fun and very nostalgic to build. Thanks so much for all you do for our hobby!
Alfons : Jimmy : 05/07/2022

Hi there, attached are some photos of the Akrobaby [main pic, 008-012]. The orange one is powered by a O.S 20 FS and the yellow one by a O.S 15 FP. They fly very nice. Thank you very much, Gustavo From Brazil
Gustavo Delazaro : Akro-Baby : 05/07/2022

96" Cumulus would probably fly fine with a PAW40, but the climb is likely to be quite gentle.
Might need to watch the weight down the tail, or lengthen the nose but 1" or so to avoid nose weight with the smallish engine.
Personally I would probably reduce to about 84-88" to give a bit more margin for some lazy aerobatics. Just print at about 90% (86.6").
Warren Brown : Cumulus : 05/07/2022

Hi Pit, If there is no cure now, then I hope they'll never find one :) I went through a similar course in life, my brother's aviation and modelling magazines initiated this extended love affair. I truly envy your memory, mine is as useful as a hole in the pocket :)
I want to thank you for your precious contribution to us, Outerzonians, you truly are a great help and a great guy as well!
Miguel : Jetliner Ho-X-3 : 04/07/2022

Thank you Warren.
Okay DLE 20 too big.
How about the 96" Cumulus with a nice brand new PAW 40 TBR RC?
That would swing a 12" prop easily.
I like the Cumulus as I have built and flown the smaller.
I also like the PAW 40.
I do not any longer have any old gassers.
My last was a Brown jnr and I had it in a Lanzo Record breaker free flight
Peter Cane : Cumulus : 04/07/2022

hi Miguel, I borned in 1964 from an Italian modeller of the 40'. Instead of playing football, I grow up looking at the old and new international model magazines collections before learning to read and building models since the age of 5. A children mind could easily store thousands of datas associating them to images. This is the trick but it's not possible for the adults, gradualy you lost this capability. Sometimes my dad used me as an inventory, " Pit do you remember in wich magazine there was the Canadair CL 215 plan?". "Sure!"
I'm more than a passionate I'm a modeller compulsive maniac, it dosn't exist a cure at the moment...
Pit : Jetliner Ho-X-3 : 04/07/2022

Hello, Here are two pictures of Keith Shaw's pretty rendition of this sleek model [main pic, 010]. Keith won Class 2 with his Sky Knight at the 3rd Ohio Waterfront Vintage Gathering last week-end. A fine flying model! Best modelling regards,
JMP_blackfoot : Sky Knight : 04/07/2022

Hi Pit, how is it humanly possible to remember the most remote things, and even worse be able to bring the right magazine article to back it up? :-))
Miguel : Jetliner Ho-X-3 : 04/07/2022

WELL DONE! I (years ago) worked for my dad (Jack Laister) building Standard Class Sailplanes. Many of our most skilled employees were model builders too. Like you they had that gift of conceptualzation and excellent hand/eye coordination. I still build models...for the memories mainly...and work with youth to try and spark interest in them. Thanks again!
Rick Laister : Douglas SBD-1 Dauntless : 03/07/2022

Here are some photos of the Baby Biwinger [main pic, 003, 004], which I built when the plans were published in Flying Models magazine. The plane is overpowered with the Tee Dee .010 engine. I later added an exhaust restrictor similar to the one in Bill Hannan's Rex Racer (oz8162). This reduced the power enough to make it flyable, but flights are still pretty exciting. This is a really fun model.
WalterK : Baby Biwinger : 03/07/2022

I'm José Marchesi's son in law. He was a passionate man for this hobby. I the mentioned years his father also worked hard with him in planes construction but the JM 34 was his own draw/design. José died at his 94 years old and his last plane built by his hands was at his 90s. It was a radio control plane. If you wish, I can send a picture of Jose at the moment we went to fly this plane. It is a pleasure for me and her dauthers see his history in the web..., we only have magazines of those years when he was a young competitor... Best regards (sorry for my poor english)
Enrique Saiz : J.M.34 : 03/07/2022

A vague (or certain) resemblance to the wonderful and innovative 1965 Tom Brett's TBX-1.
see: https://www.modelaviation.com/tom-bretts-tbx-1
Pit : Jetliner Ho-X-3 : 03/07/2022

I built this plane about ten years ago. It is powered with a MP JET .061 Diesel. Minor modifications to the plan were needed. Covering the circular wings and tail involved each bay being covered at a time. Interesting to see in the air.
Steve Staples
Little Rock, AR
Steve Staples : Ringer : 03/07/2022

Ah, the dashing glide ratio of the bungee jumper but, alas, bungeelees.
Miguel : Ringer : 03/07/2022

Thanks Steve for your work, this is my Accrowot [006, 007]. I will send you the wing templates for anyone interested. As its only a small model I'm building, I'm going to go with the drawings I have just for fun and alter the main spar so it fits at the highest point on both ribs, which actually is parallel with the leading edge [pic 008]. Job done. If you wish I can carry on with any updates as I get them. Thanks again to all your members, I'm very impressed and have been for a long time with the plans I've built from you, big and small. Thanks again,
Geoff Wise : Killerwatt : 03/07/2022

I have to disagree, the floats are the bottoms unless you're flying inverted :)
Please see oz4924, oz6346, and oz6356 as well. These plans are absolutely beautiful! Thank you, Mr. Pierce, and all the people who spotted these wherever it was! Just allow me to ask: are there any others by any chance?
Miguel : Bellanca Aircruiser : 03/07/2022

That robust T-tail reminds me of an Ekranoplan, perhaps Mr. Beriev saw this and adopted the shape.
Miguel : Jetliner Ho-X-3 : 03/07/2022

Hi, I'm Geoff, the guy that started this, sorry. I have to admit that I'm building this half size 1/2 a 049 or a big mig 072. I do have 2 full size templates made by a cabinet maker which are spot on accurate. I can get these photo copied and perhaps put on a PDF. Hope to enclose a couple of photos in the next couple of days. Thanks again and will be in touch as soon as I can.
Geoff Wise : Killerwatt : 02/07/2022

Kummerow later designed the Searcher 39, which I'm guessing would fly much better. Maybe the fuselage is still too short, at least with light radio gear.
In any case, I think 4 ounces light be a good weight for a model this size.
Lincoln : Searcher 1M : 02/07/2022

Have checked the wingspan and re-listed this one now at 18 in, thanks to MarkB.
SteveWMD : Comper Swift : 02/07/2022

Jonathan, I don't mind if you pick this up, I believe you can do much faster work than I, I suppose the Hare and Turtle moral tale applies, not the pub :)
I hate speaking ill of a fellow air modeller, but the fact is that this plan has a number of irregularities I wasn't expecting to see in a CAD drawing. Still speaking of the unfortunate ribs, they are supposed to be symmetrical but aren't, the airfoils are described as "NACA 63" series but these are very far from what is depicted. I could go on but no, thank you.
Concerning Colin U., I hope I haven't been offensive, I am grateful for his tremendous job doing an Aeromodeller T.O.C. visible in HipPocketAeronautics, for one.
Miguel : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

I think the LE of the wing is surely meant to be straight, and not swept back. That is definitely the way the original Acro Wot looks, when I google for pics. And this here Killerwatt was designed as a clone of the Acro Wot (see the datafile link to web.archive.org to see the designer's notes). Have added a couple of pics on here now of the Acro Wot [004, 005] just for reference. Granted, these show a modern ARF version. Interesting that pic 005 if you look at the reflections in the covering, you can see the LE and mainspar are both dead straight, parallel.
SteveWMD : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

Jonathon, that sounds great. But be aware Miguel (see prev comments) is working on this right now, so it's up to you if you want to risk duplicating the same work. Up to you.
SteveWMD : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

"For instance, the notches start at roughly 1/3 of the root rib and end at 1/2 the tip rib." Miguel: maybe you meant to say "end at 1/4 the tip rib"??? In any case, to me, that is not the issue. If the main spar (MS) and the leading edge (LE) are meant to be parallel (and judging by the plan, that would seem to be the case, like you said) then the length between the MS and LE of both, the root rib and the tip rib (and every rib in between) MUST be the same. The way the side-view of the root and tip ribs is drawn, it is clear that the length from MS to LE of the tip rib is much shorter. This would suggest that the LE sweeps back as it goes towards the tip. So, in other words... either the root and tip rib are used as shown and the wing is built as double tapered, or, the location of the MS intersection has to be made equidistant in both of the rib templates. Comments? Reactions? Did I miss something?
RC Yeager : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

The Watt 4 has the same errors in the wing rib drawing. I can make 3D models and plans for both designs without the errors as well as dxf.
Jonathan Noon : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

Thanks to Pit, here is a link to the Auckland Star of that date: https://newspaperarchive.com/auckland-star-feb-26-1938-p-1/ but there is no plan included ;)
SteveWMD : Hornet : 01/07/2022

Thanks Miguel.
SteveWMD : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

Modelair company still exist today in Auckland-New Zealand as a model shop. See: https://modelair.co.nz/pages/about-us
Pit : Hornet : 01/07/2022

Hi Steve, it appears to me that both the leading edge and main spar are 'straight', i.e., perpendicular (or right-angle) to the fuselage centreline, while the T.E. iis obviously swept-forward. In a set-up like this - paralell L.E. and main spar - the location of notches for the spars on the ribs will be "travelling" backwards as the ribs go from middle to tip. For instance, the notches start at roughly 1/3 of the root rib and end at 1/2 the tip rib.
All this is eyeball measurement, I can try and do a full wing rib geometry study to corroborate or negate what's in the plan, and at the same time take a look at the spars and dihedral braces. I haven't looked at the other two plans but I'm not expecting any catastrophe. "Sc itur ad astra",
Miguel : Killerwatt : 01/07/2022

Has anyone ever built a model from this plan? I am curious how this issue was solved. Looking at the other plans we have on here, the same issue will also have to be solved if anyone is planning to build the Mega Watt (oz13092) or the Watt Four (oz13084). All 3 plans have been drawn in the same way.
SteveWMD : Killerwatt : 30/06/2022

Thanks to Geoff Wise who mailed in to point out there is an issue with this plan - the fit of the wing ribs along the main spar (see pic 003). It seems the plan contains errors, as it stands. Also the supplement ribs file seems suspect. Me, I have no skills with these vector format plans. Does anyone out there have a way of drafting something that will fix this, make it buildable? The dihedral brace as shown would demand a flat/straight main spar, ie not swept-back, right?
SteveWMD : Killerwatt : 30/06/2022

Hi Steve and Mary, I’ve attached some photos of my just completed red and silver KK Elf [pics 007-010], and a photo of clubmate Paul Briggs model, the green and yellow version [011]. Also attached is a photo of our club Chairman Richard Granger’s blue and yellow model in the air at our flying field [012]. I hope you find them useful for your relevant plan page.
John Churchill : Elf : 30/06/2022

A friend posted his build of his control line model, the Aero Flyte Viper [main pic]. I thought you could put it with the plan. Mal, Australia
Mal Bradford : Viper : 30/06/2022

Nice work. Just adding a link here to the RCGroups build thread, see: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?4145119-Earl-Stahl-Fokkker-D8 for more details, and more pics.
SteveWMD : Fokker D8 : 30/06/2022

Hi, I attach pictures of my just completed Fokker D8 [main pic, 005-007]. It's a fine model built to the full-sized plan (57 inch) span, but with removable wingtips and tail.
Allan Knox : Fokker D8 : 30/06/2022

Thanks Bill. A good idea. I was thinking of shaping a foam plug for each panel section then covered with a thin veneer. I also thought of printing wood grain to tissue and applying to the plug. Your idea is a lot easier.
Lewis Lingwood : AS 25 2600 : 29/06/2022

Great model and great photos! A fine effort to disguise the engine. In the main photo, the model probably is in FF mode, as the aerial has mysteriously gone out of sight :)
Miguel : Heinkel He 100D : 29/06/2022

Graupner Caravelle, old Fuselage, new wing [pic 009]. Hello Mary and Steve, here is the picture of my Caravelle-Kombi. It did not fly many times, but it is possible to use the new wing in combination with an old fuselage. Regards from Germany,
Reinhard Lehmann : Caravelle : 29/06/2022

Hello again, Here are a couple of photos of the Ramblin Wreck [011-013] flying at the 3rd Ohio Waterfront gathering this past Saturday. Best modelling regards as always,
JMP_blackfoot : Ramblin Wreck : 29/06/2022

Hello, Two more photos of the Windmill showing it ready to take to the air [main pic] and in the air [007]. The occasion was the 3rd Ohio Waterfront Gathering last week-end. Best modelling regards,
Jean-Marie Piednoir : Windmill : 29/06/2022

I picked up the original in the box today if you need any additional pictures.
Brynt : Pay Dirt : 28/06/2022

Hi from Australia. Recently completed my Ladybird Special. Here are some photos [010-012] you may like to add to the plan page. Thanks,
Bruce Jacques : Ladybird Special : 28/06/2022

Good afternoon, I used your plan as the basis for an electric conversion [main pic, 006] resized and structurally much modified to keep weight to a minimum, flying weight 2lb. Directional control is achieved using full span elevons and canard elevator. In flight it’s a dream and so different it certainly turns heads. Thank you for your excellent site. Kind regards,
John Given : Grumman X-29A : 28/06/2022

Postal zip codes were established in 1963; there is an address "Bloomington, Ind 47401" in the parts sheet area of the plan--supporting Lincoln's comment about this plan being a later version. The font is also modern, not the kind that would have been used prior to the Comet era. (so says Inspector Clouseau..)
D A : Curtiss Robin : 28/06/2022

No. If we had any more, we would upload it here. That's how this site works. Does anyone out there have more on this one?
SteveWMD : Taylor Cub : 27/06/2022

The plan says Scale Flight Model is a predecessor of Comet. I only know them as providers of good quality replicas of old model airplane kits. They only went out of business a few years ago.
Lincoln : Curtiss Robin : 27/06/2022

Do you have the auxiliary page to this plan?
Rick young : Taylor Cub : 27/06/2022

Thanks Miguel! A quick mention and thanks must also go to one of my aeromodelling mates, Alan Collins, who took the last batch of photos including the inflight ones (no easy task!). Alan also intends to complete a Super Duper Joystick, so hopefully there'll be a few more pics to post. Full build log to follow once I've proof read it - thanks for watching.
Nick Ward : Super Duper Joy Stick : 27/06/2022

Hi Nick, it looks like you've built yourself a winner! Happy Landings :)
Miguel : Super Duper Joy Stick : 26/06/2022

Seeing your work alive and well 60 years down the river must be a fantastic feeling. Thank you very much, Mr. Grimmett!
Miguel : Black Ghost : 26/06/2022

I used the wing design in a Magnus effect kite and it flew well. I’ll definitely use the wing design in other models now.
John Wilson : Tumble Wing : 26/06/2022

This is my plan I did back in the late 1950's. Good to see it is still about and being used.
Mac Grimmett : Black Ghost : 26/06/2022

Beautiful plane Eduardo,congratulations great job in the chinese design.
Carlos Bolaños : Ekko : 26/06/2022

Hi Mary and Steve, attached more pics of the Super Duper Joystick [009-012]. After several test flights, the SDJ has exceeded all expectations. The OS46AX swinging a 12x4" prop provides ample thrust with the aircraft's dry weight of just under 5 1/2 lbs, hauling it through large regular loops, outside loops, cuban eights, double rolls either way, immelman turns, split S's and inverted flight. The only aerobatic issues encountered so far were;-- consistent entering into spins in a traditional sense (ie use of full rudder/elevator), suggesting greater rudder movement was required and/or a slightly more rearward CG - consistent execution of stall turns, again perhaps requiring a little more rudder throw (or simply more practice by the pilot!).
The Super Duper Joystick really is a great flier, well worth the building effort. I would thoroughly recommend the OS46AX as a powerplant (or equivalent electric power) as I am using half throttle most of the time - a modern ball-raced 60 would probably overpower the airframe at this weight. Many thanks again for all your work in keeping this archive growing. Best regards,
Nick Ward : Super Duper Joy Stick : 26/06/2022

Thanks. Currently, sadly, still driving a second-hand Skoda Fabia. The pre-facelift model. Not sure anyone really needs to see a pic of that :)
SteveWMD : ElectriCub : 26/06/2022

Steve, Attached you will find 2 pictures of the Great Planes ElectriCub to add to your website [main pic, 008]. This was the first edition built in 1995 without ailerons and no cockpit windows. It was up to the modeler at the time to try and mimic this with monocote trim sheets.
Although a cub, it flew nothing like it's full size companion. The motor operated with an on/off switch and had a separate battery pack for the radio, in addition to the 7 cell nicad used to power the motor. Although never weighed, it must have been over 48 ounces. But none of that really matters, what Great Planes gave you was the ability to try R/C flight on your own without an instructor. For that they succeeded! Thank You for this site!
P.S. Well, if and when you can afford that Aston Martin you should be sure to post a picture of it on your site. The 1980's vantage model in royal cherry is fabulous.
James C : ElectriCub : 26/06/2022

The plans calls for mounting the Rudder Control Horn on the right size, which is OK if you use a fix Nose Wheel as per plans. But if you plan to use a Steering Nose Wheel, this will not work, the Rudder and Nose Wheel will turn to the opposite side with a typical Servo linkage for Rudder/Steering.
Martin : Cosmo 25 SR : 26/06/2022

Oh, but I am not worthy. Building straight on top of the 3-view... Verily you have taken off the runway towards Enlightenment :)
Miguel : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 25/06/2022

I want to say thank you for this set of construction prints of the DVIII. I still have the original kit box with some of the pieces but the plans went missing. I had the Kit since December1972. Now I can finish what was started from way back when.
William C. Garth : Fokker D8 : 25/06/2022

Ah Miguel, you make me smile.... Modeling, like any form of artistic expression, is passionate by nature. Recall those paint-by-number kits for young people...it doesn't take long for the would-be artist to begin self-expressing. That's the entire purpose of all these modeling plans. You are a brother, Miguel. ;) Thank you.
Neal : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 24/06/2022

Is that a beautiful sight or what :)
Miguel : Comte AC4 Gentleman : 24/06/2022

Hi Steve and Mary, I'm sending photos of the Comte AC4 Gentleman model [main pic, 008-012], built according to the plan downloaded from your Outerzone. The model is increased to a span of 1.2 m compared to the original plan, adapted to be driven by an electric motor. Many thanks for your work for modellers from all over the world. From the Czech Republic,
Vladimir Caha : Comte AC4 Gentleman : 24/06/2022

Hello, Herewith a few pictures of my finished Ramblin' Wreck reproduction [main pic, 009, 010] which flies with electric power and is controlled by two pulsed Bellamatic II servos modified with Don Brown designed centering springs. The flying is good now that I have become accustomed to the delayed response of the servos compared to modern equipment. When I gather the courage, I'll fit an OK Cub 14 glow engine as the original. Even as it was a "hot" combat ship at the time, it is by today's standards a pretty tame model a beginner could likely easily master. Keep up the good work. Thanks again.
JMP_blackfoot : Ramblin Wreck : 24/06/2022

Hello, Here are some photos of a Veron Mini-Robot that I just competed from the Outerzone plan [main pic, 009]. The fuselage and tail is tissue covered and doped. The wing is covered with Polyspan heat shrink material which was then also doped (cellulose) to seal and fuel proof it. R/C is two channel on rudder and elevator. That's a Made-in-India Mills 0.75cc diesel installed which I'm hoping will provide enough power for gentle flying.
Graham McAllister : Mini Robot : 24/06/2022

In French, we say : " Chapeau, l'artiste !'
Olivier : Messerschmitt Bf-110D Zerstorer : 24/06/2022

Got it. Have set this date to 1947 now. Many thanks.
SteveWMD : Cavalier : 24/06/2022

According to this account in the KAPA Collector, the Cavalier must have been from 1947 at the earliest.
http://www.flyingacesclub.com/KAPA/ISSUE69.pdf
Lincoln : Cavalier : 24/06/2022

This is an attractive model. It looks like the new drawing doesn't have the ribs, though the old drawing does. People should download both.
Also, and this is quibbling, the A-A with the line implies, at least in the drafting tradition I'm familiar with, a section, so I spent some time looking for the section drawing. Either I'm blind, or it isn't there.
Lincoln : Cavalier : 24/06/2022

I see the Buddha has reincarnated in an airmodeller :)
Miguel : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 23/06/2022

I wholeheartedly agree with Neal's assessment. A beautiful rendition!
Jan Novick : Messerschmitt Bf-110D Zerstorer : 23/06/2022

Beautiful model, Petr...and those McCoy and K&B engines really take me back to my younger days. :)
Neal Green : Langosta : 23/06/2022

Nice model, Terry...wonderful craftsmanship. Great to see Walt M.'s designs come to life.
Neal Green : Messerschmitt Bf-110D Zerstorer : 23/06/2022

I truly love all of OuterZone's plan offerings. For me, they are perfect even with their imperfections. Interesting how participating in this hobby for over 70 years has altered my view of a plan's purpose. In the beginning plans were virtually holy...collected and treasured. Soon they became a starting point...like a basic sketch on a great canvas. They became a tool...but certainly not necessarily the end in and of themselves...moving toward artistic expression...that was the model itself. I seem to know what goes between the lines of that sketch...what is under the skin of that model. So I'm guilty of interpreting the definition of a plan at its barest essentials. Sometimes that simple 3-view is all one has to start with...for others it may require a bit more inspiration. :) Thanks you to the folk at OuterZone for this wonderful website.
Neal Green : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 23/06/2022

First time I've ever seen a Round The Pole RTP reference for an indoor rubber model.
Thomas Solinski : Chad 20 : 23/06/2022

For the Rudder look at the engine installation top right of page 1. Rudder control rod extends down into the body and the link can be seen just above the engine.
Aileron and Elevator are mixed by the sliding rails on the aileron servo mount. This setup was common before computer radios.
Jonathan Noon : Space Shuttle : 23/06/2022

I'm sorry, I misread Neal's post. I had no idea he was filling your inbox with pretty photos of his collection, disconnected from any plans in OZ. Indeed publishing those with a 3-view for justification makes no sense.
Photos coming with a new plan, sure, that's the idea! Neal himself has done that - see oz12957, oz12874, and oz12707 among others, and fine plans they are too.
Miguel : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 23/06/2022

Fair point. I guess my thinking was that our link from the datafile (to your RCGroups post) does then, in turn, link directly to the SMOS site. Happy to include a separate link here though, and that way SMOS are now mentioned here directly on this page :)
SteveWMD : Chad 20 : 23/06/2022

Miguel, we love to post photos up alongside plans. But for 'orphan' photos that arrive here without a plan, there is no plan page for us to use. Because the plan page does not exist. The solution is clear. Whilst building the orphan model, draw up a plan - a simple plan that shows all (or most of, or even just *some*) of the information that other modellers will need to build the model shown in the photo. Then send them both in here to us, together.
Re 3-views vs Plans: We cover this in the FAQ, but for some clarity here a 3-view is not a plan. Because a 3-view just shows the outside shape of an airframe, and it does not explain how to build a model. But a plan shows you how to build a model, because it shows detailed information and description of the materials used, the shapes of the internal formers, and the parts that will fit together, the methods used, to make a complete flying model.
SteveWMD : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 23/06/2022

Still I don't follow, if a scale model is not based on a 3-view then it is based on what? Wherefore art thou Wylam, Nieto, Westburg, Bentley? Perhaps we should seek guidance from the Outerzone Thrones and Dominations?
Miguel : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 23/06/2022

How do the pushrods run for the rudder and ailerons?
Any pictures how they go?
Rob : Space Shuttle : 23/06/2022

Shouldn't SMOS get credit, too?
http://smos.homeunix.net/media/ritn_arkiv/A-384%20The%20Chad%2020.jpg
photos here:
http://smos.homeunix.net/modellregister/modell/741/
from their wonderful site:
http://smos.homeunix.net/modellregister/arkiv/#Klass%20A
lincoln : Chad 20 : 22/06/2022

Whoa boys...didn't mean to ignite a firestorm! Thank you all...at the same time. Steve and I have had the same discussion more than once and I completely agree with him...OuterZone features "VINTAGE & OLD-TIMER PLANS," that's what it says. Steve advises me to draw a few lines here and there to make it into a pseudo-plan. I just never seem to get around to it! Still...I continue to attempt stretching the envelope. :) Maybe someone out there will come up with a category for 3-view inspired builds. Sometimes we encounter very nice technical drawings that are so accurate, so opportune, they are all one needs (besides experience) to proceed. Beware, however! Be certain to get out your dividers and check for accuracy...many copying procedures will distort what appears to be accurate. Thank you, friends.
Neal Green : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 22/06/2022

Thank you. Yes, I know any stunt model does not have the glide ratio of a Junior 60. I was referring to the fact that landing speeds and dead stick landings come out very fast as well as some stunts like loopings etc, mostly due to the thin wing section. A Kaos and the Kwik Fli, for instance, have beautiful flying performance at my altitude because they have nice thick wing sections. With a much thinner atmosphere than at sea level, planes have to fly faster and need more power. That is why thicker wing sections perform better here.
Eduardo : Ekko : 22/06/2022

Don't qualify for OuterZone? I don't understand, most if not all scale designs in the OZ had to begin life as a 3-view of some sort, If the criterium is design age, OZ contains 250 plans ten years old or less.
And your Pete's a peach :)
Miguel : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 22/06/2022

Me-110 photo [main pic]. I used the Walt Musciano plans and reduced them to 75% to fit my engines. Same construction throughout.
Terry Conley : Messerschmitt Bf-110D Zerstorer : 22/06/2022

It's certain. In this area of scale, it's a hell of a job. I'm always amazed when I see designers working like that... Bravo. Latecoere 298, Broussard Mh 1521, Mureaux 180-C2 Pursuit, Breguet 695, Amiot 143 as on this site of old peanut plans: https://www.peanut-scale.fr/a-les-cahiers-du-cervia.html
There is something to do to help yourself ;-)
Olivier : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 22/06/2022

Thank you, Jan. I've had a few other projects prior to PETE but unfortunately, since I often work from nicely detailed 3-views as a plan (like a Dornier Do 17P), they don't qualify for addition to OuterZone. That's all right...I understand. Very nice to "hear" from you, Jan.
Neal Green : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 22/06/2022

Very nice Eduardo... Any more pics? Have always been a fan of Hoh Fang Chiun designs (I believe there are a few more fans out there), but sadly, not many appear to take the time to actually build one, myself included. Always found this design to be a good mix of a basic and straightfoward pattern platform with a bit of cuteness mixed in (you really captured the look of the somewhat caricaturesque canopy). IMO... 2,650 meters is way up there, so probably not really fair to expect a good glide ratio from any design, except perhaps, a Kaos.
RC Yeager : Ekko : 22/06/2022

This is my Ekko as designed by the late Hoh Fang Chiun [pic 005]. It was published in American Aircraft Modeler and it is with no doubt a very attractive model. Easy to build but with a fair flying performance. Perhaps due to my elevation of 2650 meters closer to the stars, the model flew very fast and had a terrible glide ratio for both powered and dead stick landing. So I decided to make a new wing extending it one rib bay on each size. It improved a little but not much. I also blame the wing section which is very thin. My Ekko was powered with a K & B .40 engine, controlled by an Aero Sport (Futaba) RC, Fuselage painted with HobbyPoxy and wings covered with Monokote. Eduardo Barriga, from La Calera, Colombia
Eduardo : Ekko : 22/06/2022

Hii Mary and Steve, New model, the Waco SRE from Sterling [main pic, 004-007]. Scale 13 inch span.
Maciej : Waco SRE : 22/06/2022

Mr. Panek, very nicely done!
Martin Hurda : Langosta : 21/06/2022

Nice pics. Normally I would be picky on details like this - but you have a very good point, the two plans are so similar they are almost almost identical, almost stick for stick. Also I have one of these West Wings kits stashed away, this should inspire me to get on with it. Many thanks,
SteveWMD : Westland Widgeon : 21/06/2022

Hi Steve, not sure that you will want to use these photos as they are of my West Wings Westland Widgeon III [main pic, 008-011], but the W.W's plan and your plan ID:1191 are so similar that the resulting models would be almost indistinguishable, the wing spans differ only by 1/4” (24” to 24-1/4”). I feel sure that W.W's must have scrutinised ID:1191 whilst drawing up their plan. Here are some of the photos for you to make your decision as to whether they are usable or not. All the best,
John Churchill : Westland Widgeon : 21/06/2022

Delighted, as usual, to see another one of your efforts
Jan Novick : Mitsubishi F1M2 Pete : 20/06/2022

Some more Privateer photos and videos here: https://tinyurl.com/lgbfjblgbfjb
Tomás : Privateer : 19/06/2022

Fixed now. Thanks.
SteveWMD : Lark 95 : 19/06/2022

Just found your site - brought back a lot of memories. Attached is a picture of an S-Tee [main pic] built from the Airtronics kit back in 1980. Last flight: Hand launched, climbed, then banked over uncontrollably and hit the ground hard - I forgot to turn on the transmitter - yes, in front of the rest of the local flying club. Very nice little 2 channel airplane - never missed the other 2 channels...
Bob Horn : S-Tee : 19/06/2022

The colour scheme in the model photos may look outlandish but it is correct, it was the one employed by the T-6s of the Brazilian AF acro-team "Esquadrilha da Fumaça", roughly the Smokey Squadron, see the scheme evolution at: https://www2.fab.mil.br/eda/index.php/2015-04-24-14-30-17?id=151
Nowadays the squadron rides the Embraer Super Tucano with a more evolved design.
Miguel : T6 Texan : 19/06/2022

Lewis, I have made a 'tea' from a teabag in the thinner then mixed that into the dope. Should work with anything similar to get the older antique look. Also have a can of 10 year old nitrate dope that has oxidized to a light tan color so I get the same effect regardless.
See (oz1429) photos 03 and 04 for my Roaring 20s done this way.
Bill : AS 25 2600 : 18/06/2022

Supplemental file (article) is incomplete. MAN 3/1969.
D : Lark 95 : 18/06/2022

Photo for the Scientific F-82 [main pic]. Just finished it up last night. Hope you can use it.
Terry Conley : F-82 Twin Mustang : 18/06/2022

I had one with the foam wing and it was tapered.
JD : Dicks Dream : 17/06/2022

Model Builder magazine published the construction article on the Solo kit. The original Solo had a rolled cardboard tube for a main spar which acted as a jig to build the wing. It worked great in the very dry Southwest. When the kits hit the market in humid areas of the country the wing would twist around as the humidity changed. I went to a more conventional spruce spar wing construction but was able to maintain the self jigging aspect. The builder glued all the spars together on a ply joiner to slip the ribs over. Regards,
Stan Johnson : Solo : 17/06/2022

Hello, Herewith pictures of my rendition of the Champ with reducted Speed 300 power [main pic, 003-006]. This is one of my favorite relaxing models, alongside with the Pinocchio II (oz4604). Construction thread and a short flight video here: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?3207355-CAP-2020-F-Lajeunesse-Champ-1946-French-champion. Thanks again for the Outerzone. Best modelling regards,
JMP_blackfoot : Champ : 17/06/2022

Ronald Logan created and produced the Lark95 in Tracy CA. (My grandfather.) He then sold the company to Helton. Ronald also helped move the company to Arizona after he sold to the Heltons. I have pictures and news articles from Tracy news paper. Thank you,
April Roe : Lark 95 : 17/06/2022

I wish that I had seen this download asI have had to plot the part profils myself. Having made one in my youth, ED Bee powered, I was keen to see if it would handle a 2.5 cc motor. I have a ED Raver that I modified with PAW piston/cylinder. Should make an interesting combination?
Bob Taylor : Ranger Mk1 : 17/06/2022

Any info on how the fuselage was stained? I'd like to duplicate that.
Lewis Lingwood : AS 25 2600 : 17/06/2022

I have some photos of the finished model on a weight scale [pics 011, 012], for those who don't believe it was 7 grams without ballast and 8~9 grams with ballast... the secret is wood, glue, sandpaper and a lot of patience.. lol
Rodrigo Burgo : Bird of Time HLG : 16/06/2022

wet the wood with hot water and bend the wing until it reaches a height of 2 cm at the tip.
Rodrigo Burgo : Leprechaun HLG : 16/06/2022

To be honest I’m a bit ashamed not to have mentioned these before.... Tail and wing incidence are as shown on plan and you will see thrust line is zero but the tailplane has a lifting section. This tended to give a nose down trim under power which I countered with a celluloid tab added to the tailplane trim tab. The model would then climb horizontally presumably because of the ‘blown’ surfaces.
Still my favourite !
Richard Falconer : P-38F Lightning : 15/06/2022

Beautiful work... Nice pictures...
Olivier : Pinocchio II : 15/06/2022

I had a chance to fly one of these for a few minutes. It handled quite well, and I was able to catch some low level thermals with it, just before dark in breezy conditions.
Lincoln : Kestrel 2m : 15/06/2022

Hello again, Herewith some pictures of my Pinocchio II [main pic, 004, 005]. It features an elevation control by varying the upper wing incidence and steering via a sub-rudder which has been found to all work very well indeed. This allows the removable tailplane arrangement and free-flight looks of the original to be retained. Construction thread here: http://www.retroplane.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4499. Best modelling regards,
JMP_blackfoot : Pinocchio II : 15/06/2022

Hello, Herewith some pictures of my reproduction of the Gimlet, the first RC model designed by Phil Kraft [main pic, 007-009]. It features the correct Babcock escapement and a Holland Hornet engine given by my good friend Paul Thoms, just like the original and construction is as close as possible. A construction thread can be found here: https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2246281-Phil-Kraft-GIMLET-1956-single-channel-low-winger-for-AMPLAN-Build-Off I flew it successfully three times and now it is in the collections of the AMA Museum in Muncie, Indiana. Best modelling regards,
JMP_blackfoot : Gimlet : 15/06/2022

I think the explanation is simple. The designer wanted to achieve a wandering flight pattern. If he had omitted the conventional rear fin the model would have been unstable. By retaining it and adding a front fin he retained stability and got the directional randomness to stay in lift.
Best thing is to do what I did and build one!
Richard Falconer : Slope Rhino : 15/06/2022

So Funny! I did the same as Andrew back in '79. Pulled up from a very low inversion. To see the piston cylinder smashed back at a 45-degree angle really made me laugh. Wow!
Phil : Pacer : 15/06/2022

Have set the title of this one now (previously listed as 'Biplane Trainer') to the correct 'Kwidsin'.
SteveWMD : Kwidsin : 14/06/2022

Hello, my next model is the Langosta with Mc.Coy and now with K&B torpedo engine [main pic, 004-006]. Thank you Outerzone,
Petr Panek : Langosta : 14/06/2022

Hello, my next model with Super Atom 1.8 D engine [main pic, 007, 008]. Thank you Outerzone.
Petr Panek : Clot : 14/06/2022

My last RC model, circa 1981, was an OS Max 40 FSR powered MK Blue Angle Junior kit [main pic, 004-007]. This was covered with Sig Coverite (wings and tailplane) and lightweight glass cloth and K&B finishing resin on the fuselage and fin. The model was finished with K&B Super Poxy. The Sig Coverite was very nice to use and finish and has remained tight to this day having been variously stored in an eaves cupboard and the loft, far from ideal conditions. I moulded my own cockpit from a translucent blue celluloid rather than use the clear one in the kit and added some cockpit detail such as part of an ejector seat. I adopted an entirely different colour scheme for the underneath to aid visual orientation in flight. I incorporated flaps and spoilers to aid landing (a modification of those fitted to Hanno Prettner?s Curare design). I recall the model being fast (for me) and a bit twitchy in roll. Back then my radio transmitter had neither dual rate nor exponential functionality. After initial testing flights I didn?t get around to properly trimming the model but having retired and returned to the hobby I might just do so. I have to say the model is very elegant compared to many pattern aircraft of the time. Kind regards,
Keith Cherrington : Blue Angel Jr : 14/06/2022

10 years later and no designer nor publisher for this beauty? What is this, an orphan both motherless and fatherless? At least she has an Uncle, but that may not be a good thing, considering. Come on, gimme a name :)
Miguel : Lockheed Super Constellation : 13/06/2022

The postman leads a hazardous life. Getting bitten by the dog became socially accepted in time; now propellers biting their fingers too seems a little too much, really.
Miguel : AT-6/Harvard Mailbox : 13/06/2022

Different use of the magnetic rudder. Such kind of fins are used to add a side fuselage area to a very thin fuselage without enlarging too much the rudder with subsequent tail heavy result and more heavy fuselage/model. Adding side fuselage area increases the maneuverability on yaw axis.
pit : Slope Rhino : 13/06/2022

A few days ago, I came across an article titled "Israel's eyes - How the drone went from a toy to the IDF's greatest tool" on the Jerusalem Post. A picture in it revealed the "toy" was a Sky Squire! With its obedient flying characteristics, it's not a surprise to those who have ever flown one, Israel chose it as the platform to invent the drone! See pic 009.
Max Li : Sky Squire : 13/06/2022

Hi, Mary, here are some pictures of the Sky Squire [pic 007, 008]. My twin brother Sky Yang and I were learning to fly R/C in late 1960's and had a rough start with a two-channel plane using rudder and throttle controls. The plane was overly pitch sensitive on the throttle control and was crashed on its first flight. It's flat-bottom wing however survived. Wondering what to do next, we saw the design of Jr Sky Squire in the June 1969 issue of the American Aircraft Modeler Magazine and were quite intrigued by its designs of zero down engine thrust line and the arrangements of incidences on wing and horizontal tail. Further, our crash-survived wing was similar to the Jr. Sky Squire's but the wing tip shape. So, we cut the woods and built a Squire fuselage and married it to the survived wing. Our buddy Anthony Chan (the inventor of the remote control AC Air Track tugs) maiden flighted it and declared it to be "quite obedient!" That really boosted my confidence on the learning of flying R/C. Soon, we were doing loops, rudder rows, Cuban-eight, and spins with it. The plane, with a .19 glow engine, penetrated winds well and we dared of flying it in gusts while more experienced pilots grounded their bigger planes. Thanks to its arrangement of wing/tail incidences, landing was easy. Just lined it up and throttle back. It would touch down on its own! So pleased with Squire's performance, we subsequently built the 1/2A version and over-powered it with a .15 engine, and the original Sky Squire of 57-inch wing Span with semi-symmetrical airfoil and strip ailerons, powered by a Super Tigre .23, the one pictured herewith.
Max Li : Sky Squire : 13/06/2022

Thanks for "Posting" this one (pun intended!!). This is a beauty and the basic design would be adaptable to other round engined aircraft too......definitely on the build list!!
Mark Stanley : AT-6/Harvard Mailbox : 13/06/2022

MIG-3 (oz2045) photo [pic 005]. Scratch built from plans.
Ray Jacobelli : MiG-3 : 13/06/2022

Thanks for the link describing the magnet steering. Im sure it is intended to keep the model pointed up wind. But the horn is fixed in a sheet profile fuselage. There must be some other thinking behind it.
Curious George : Slope Rhino : 12/06/2022

I've finished the overall SDJ build [pics 006-008], but have been a bit too successful (!?!) keeping the tail weight down using built up construction rather than the thick all sheet version of the original - I've had great difficulties getting the CG on the spar, so I'm externally mounting rud/elev servos at rear to reduce lead weight required at tail. Build log will follow once I've flown it. For others building this, stick to using the all sheet 3/8" balsa in tail, you'll need the weight as the nose moment is long - my battery is as far back as it will go already!
Nick Ward : Super Duper Joy Stick : 12/06/2022

The props I used and recommend are the Volare 3-bladed balsa props. Right hand and left hand. They come machine finished and merely need to be lightened and finish sanded and painted.
Duke Horn : Lockheed P-38J Lightning : 12/06/2022

Maybe the forward fin was supposed to simulate, in a small model, the magnet steered gliders from back in the day. Many designs fly very well in spite of their design, not because of it. The original magnet steering was popular when radio control was large and expensive. Reason for the forward fin was because the magnet was too large for the tail. They probably used cow magnets, that's what they look like, adjustable to compass heading to keep the model headed out over the slope. Farmers fed magnets to their cows to attract bits of metal eaten by the cows. Never popular in the USA, most slopes here are infested with inconvenient trees.
Doug Smith : Slope Rhino : 12/06/2022

Light as a feather, very pretty hand-draughted plan. The lettering was labouriously written one by one with the help of stencils. The 'Nesmith Cougar' title looks like it is dry-rub letters, Letraset or Mecanorma. All as good as could be for the time. It can only be a fine flyer.
Miguel : Nesmith Cougar : 12/06/2022

The glider uses a simplified version of magnet steering to keep it heading in to the wind. See Mini Magnet (oz8421).
pmw : Slope Rhino : 12/06/2022

Probably this is intended to be the intermediate step, for a children, before building the real one...
Pit : Slingshot Thunderbird : 12/06/2022

Really interested in building this design! For those who are more knowledgeable on the subject, could I ask how the design, in particular the fixed front fin, acts to keep the model facing into the wind? Thanks!
Sam : Slope Rhino : 12/06/2022

Hello, what is the dihedral of the wing ? Thanks a lot for your responses. Regards.
Valentin fauchère : Leprechaun HLG : 11/06/2022

What does the "horn" do? It appears it would counter act the vertical tail in yaw. Does it reduce side slipping in some way? Thanks
Curious George : Slope Rhino : 11/06/2022

I made one in 64 over a summer half term. Flew beautifully with a fascinating flight pattern, tracking along the escarpment at Nympsfield, Gloucestershire. Lost it when a gust took it into an uncut cornfield. Great model. I’ll try to find a picture.
Richard Falconer : Slope Rhino : 11/06/2022

Chalange et Bonnet...CB too ;-) Same Manufacturer ;-)
Olivier : Alize : 10/06/2022

I like this plan very much, and I'm tempted to have a go myself at cutting out the formers quickly in foam just to see how well it all fits together. But it looks like it would be very fiddly and frustrating for a beginner. I am surprised the article calls this "a project that will transition your young modeler from sheet balsa gliders into built-up construction and tissue covering" as this seems like a big challenge for a beginner. Lots of compound curves to tissue-cover.
SteveWMD : Slingshot Thunderbird : 10/06/2022

Time to write a new will :-)) A fine plan, fine covering work, and great, meticulous finish. Has the lovely child flown the Pfeil yet?
Miguel : Dornier Do 335 : 09/06/2022

I built this model two years ago. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyTRg8hgZ6s&ab_channel=MaciejJ beautiful model photos.
Maciej : Observer : 08/06/2022

Hi Mary and Steve, this is the Observer oz13649 [main pic, 006, 007]. As I didn't build it for a Bostonian rules comp I added an extra wing bay on either side, making it just under 19" span, to give a bit more wing area for very little extra weight. Covered in Esaki tissue, it came out at 18.6g ready to fly. Many thanks for Outerzone and the work you do.
Pete Startup : Observer : 08/06/2022

In the 60's I built a skylark with Cox Medallion 15RC and single channel servos for rudder control. Very underpowered. Later upgraded to McCoy 40Rc and widened the fuselage to allow Micro Avionics propo radio with large Orbit type servos.
Added ailerons also. Flew the snot out of it burning up the McCoy. Changed to ST40 for mare power and better quality. Added a foam core wing with flaps. Promptly broke the wing while horsing around at full flap and power. Dang!
Steve Roselle : Skylark 56 : 07/06/2022

Just finished my second Hawk, the first was built in 1969 to replace a wayward Grasshopper biplane. DC Merlin powered this time rather than the lethargic DC Bantam originally. Looking forward to some warm evening flying
Bob Beaumont : Curtiss Hawk : 07/06/2022

Hello, Herewith three recently recovered 1973 pictures [pics 007-009] of flying my Wik Bjorn BS-1 with a Cox Baby Bee on a pod. I had many, many enjoyable flights with this combination. Best modelling regards,
Jean-Marie Piednoir : BS-1 Bjorn : 07/06/2022

Hello again, Here are two pictures of my friend Eric's Burda Piper in April 1974 [pics 010, 011]. It was powered by an OS Max-H 60 rear intake engine and flew quite well. One picture shows me tuning the engine, doing it all dangerously wrong! Wide pants leg ready to be chewed up, arm over the prop and face in the plane of the prop ready for a stray blade... Thanks for keeping up the good work.
Jean-Marie Piednoir : Burda-Piper (PA-18 Super Cub) : 07/06/2022

Dear Outerzone, I noticed that you didn’t have any recent photos of the Chris Foss Smoke Trail model published in Aeromodeller, July 1964. I built one when it was first published and successfully flew it as a free flight model powered by a Cox 020. I needed a test airframe for my Redfin SAM 50 diesel, so a second build of the model was too good to miss. This time I’ve added two channel RC on the rudder and elevator. The model weighs in at 247gm ready to fly which is just under the requirement for CAA registration. The Redfin SAM 50 provides more than enough power. The model is an easy build and looks great in the air. I’ve enclosed a few pics of the model on the ground [main pic, 005, 006]. Please feel free to use them as you see fit. Best Regards,
Andy Sephton : Smoke Trail : 07/06/2022

Have set the designer on this one to Bill Winter, thanks to Pit. Seems probable it was one of his. If anyone can confirm, that would be great.
SteveWMD : Triple Threat : 07/06/2022

Thank you.
Joe Melton : Rhubarb : 07/06/2022

I learnt outside loops, figure eights and inverted flight with an OS 20 Max in a Peacemaker some 50 years ago.
Now I wouldn’t dare to fly an RC one with that ultra short tail moment...
K K Iyer : Kiwi Piecemaker : 06/06/2022

Lincoln, you are referring to plan oz4917; I fail to see the connection. They don't seem much alike to me as to draw the conclusion that one is copied from, or al least based on each other, except for maybe the overall configuration, which is shared by many others.
RC Yeager : Navy Flier : 06/06/2022

Initially, this design had more usual proportions but then the dog slept on top of it and so more or less squashed it a bit. Walt's mind was fixated on shaping a new balsa prop for his full-size Piper Vagabond, so he picked this up with no regard for any difference.
Miguel : Plain Jamaica Plane : 06/06/2022

This seems related to Julius Unrath's Flying Aces Navy Pursuit. No idea if that was intentional, unconscious, or accidental.
Lincoln : Navy Flier : 05/06/2022

Chester Lanzo-Record Holder 1942 [main pic, 005, 006]. SAM Electro-Rubber category.
Nojbi Chanel : Lanzo Record Holder : 05/06/2022

This is a photo of the plane I made [main pic]. The Baby Stick, code name oz10539. The engine used was a THUNDER TIGER GP07.The remote control is retrofitted from old FUTABA. I came to Taiwan Zhang Guixun. Thanks to all the staff at Outerzone.
cksmaya : Baby Stick : 05/06/2022

Previously titled unknown, have set this one now as Smiths Wakefield, thanks to Andrew Longhurst, who identified this plan as: a giveaway plan from a 1938 Aeromodeller (month not known). Probably by JC Smith a well known Aeromodeller at the time and possibly the SMAE press officer.
SteveWMD : Smith Wakefield : 05/06/2022

I just received one of these kits from a fellow club member but the plans were missing. This will be most helpful, thank you so much for posting!
Wyatt : Eagle 2 : 05/06/2022

As a young teenager, Dave Platt was a mentor to me in those far off days, of the 50's. I well remember the "Skiffler" or the "Hienkel" as it was know originally. It was finished in a British Racing Green colour and as with all Dave's mdels immacuately finished. I even got to fly it as well as I did with the "Marvin" he made for Mercury Models, for the AM10, when it came out. Happy days fondly remembered.
Brian Austin : Skiffler : 05/06/2022

Hello, I just bought an antique rc biplane airplane that I thought was a Schoolgirl. By cleaning it and looking a little more, I realized that if done it was very close to it (wings and wing support, nose gear and tail wheel bonding, fuselage...) same type of manufacturer, it was different in the way it flew. Fixed centreboard, aileron control on the lower wing allowing to turn like the first airplanes, rear aileron control rod coming out of the rear end of the fuselage. No rc control for the Cox 049 engine which runs at full throttle like on a circular flight... is it a close relative of the schoolgirl? Does anyone know this plane?
Olivier : Schoolgirl : 04/06/2022

I reduced mine to 50", covered in silk and powered it with a Junior Brown Junior 0.19 spark ignition engine for free flight. Goes best in right hand circles and looks great in the air with that elliptical wing form.
David Hill : Comet Clipper : 04/06/2022

Most people would stick with a 60 four stroke or maybe a 90 four stroke at the extreme. A 20cc DLE is a big heavy lump and likely to be overweight as well as overpowered. The throttle can be used to cure the latter, but the extra weight will mean it always flies rather faster then ideal. The best thing would be to scale up a little, say 110% to 115% (105"-115").
I did this with a Majestic Major scaled up to 112" span for a 25cc Suevia glow engine, the result was excellent despite an engine which weighs 1.4 kg.
Warren Brown : Cumulus : 04/06/2022

Hi. I have a question please. I have built and very successfully flown the smaller version Cumuless but I have a new 20cc DLE gasser I would like to put into this larger version. Although a large engine, would it be TOO large for this model? Fly at low revs maybe.....ie just ticking over. It can swing an 17" prop. All help much appreciated
Peter Cane : Cumulus : 03/06/2022

I'm sure I've seen other stuff on the Grmzpf.... Yes, I posted some things that I'd found, at https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1530258-Control-Line-Team-Racer-plans-and-pictures/page7#post20111857
- another article
- pics including a version built as a Class B racer
Pertti M : Grmzpf : 03/06/2022

I built this one and tissue covered it with yellow tissue and dope. I had three channel in it with a small PAW diesel. I can not remember which size but the smallest in the range I recall.
All the Big boys were there at our Northern Burrows flying field in North Devon.
Not much room for a bad mistake else you are in the sea!!
The model flew sohhh well. Really docile just like me.
I loved it. But somebody loved it more.
One of our top aerobatic flyers called John came up to me one day and said" Pete I love your little plane so much...would you sell it to me complete?".
Wow!!!!!... I was bowled over that a top man would have ever been interested in such trivia built by myself.
He even congratulated me in my build standard and how light I kept it.
I was so pleased he liked it I sold it to him.
Oh yes....It had a Micron Rx in it.
The little white cube shaped Micron Rxs came in kit form.
I enjoyed electronic projects so bought six of them
Of course by todays standards they were actually huge!!!
So if you want a really good flyer. I can promise you that this little thing is a dream. It actually thermalled a bit too under quite windy conditions by the sea .
Okay Pete. You have convinced yourself... I am going to make another. Thus time even lighter with a non throttled cox 049 and smaller lighter servos for rudder and elevator.
Why are you waiting?
Peter Cane : Cumuless : 03/06/2022

It's a damn pretty plane, so it's a pity to let it go because of a canopy. If all else fails you can mould one yourself, it's an easy procedure and doesn't take much in hardware terms. Quality depends mostly on the care you are willing to devote to the task.
This is a good description but it can be simplified if desired: https://www.instructables.com/Vacuum-Former-at-Home/
Miguel : Spitfire F22/F24 : 02/06/2022

This plan was also published in UK by RCMW so you could try Sarik hobbies in the UK.
M Hodgson : Spitfire F22/F24 : 02/06/2022

Does anybody knows where to obtain a canopy for this super aircraft?
Hans Slagter : Spitfire F22/F24 : 01/06/2022

Ah, got it. Thanks.
SteveWMD : Senior Monitor : 01/06/2022

Yes Steve, 308 Holloway Road, the Southern mecca model shop...run by Henry J Nicholls, the builder of this original Senior Monitor. He produced the Mercury kits. Best rgds Charles
Charles Todd : Senior Monitor : 01/06/2022

"Although the new Concorde has yet to fly...", yet she went through her final landing years ago. These things at times shock me into realising I'm getting old after all. Not all is lost, with B-52s scheduled to remain in service after I take the Ultimate Thermal.
Miguel : Concorde : 01/06/2022

308 Holloway Road was H. J.’s shop number where he traded for many, many years.
Paul D : Senior Monitor : 01/06/2022

308?
SteveWMD : Senior Monitor : 01/06/2022

Ron Moulton told me that the original "308" design never actually flew, but here is a great chance to spawn a new generation.
Charles : Senior Monitor : 01/06/2022

CG - 87 mm from the leading edge.
Martin Hurda : Le Timide : 31/05/2022

Thanks Stan, have set the date for this one as 1975, now. If you could send us through a scan of the unpublished 60-size Saker, we'd love to have that one too up here on Outerzone.
SteveWMD : Saker : 31/05/2022

Hello, A friend of mine who just refurbished his 40 year old Saker told me about your site. I am the original owner of Solution Aeromodel. The Saker was first sold in the mid 70's. I sold the company and the rights to it and my other design, a sport trainer named Solo MK II , to Ron Booth in 1979. The Solo and Saker used the same wing. The Saker kit was reviewed in Flying Models magazine by Bob Hunt. It was his second RC model after learning to fly. He liked it so much he did the review and put it on the cover of the magazine.
Ron stopped production in the early 80's. I still fly a Saker with a piped rear exhaust OS 46. The engine turns a 9 x 8 prop at 17,000 RPM. The model really scoots with that power.
I also designed what was a .60 size Saker that was never kitted. You could change the shape of the tail, wing tips, canopy, etc to look like different WWII era fighters. I called it a Fun Fighter. I still have the first one I built. It has the same great flying qualities of the Saker. Local modelers scratch built over 6 of them from my plans in the mid 80's. One of them actually built the fuse to look like a big Saker.
I used the airfoil from George Aldrich's Flight Streak control line models on all 3 designs. It's a great airfoil with a benign stall and a very wide speed range.
Model Builder magazine published a construction article on the Solo kit. The original Solo had a rolled cardboard tube for a main spar which acted as a jig to build the wing. It worked great in the very dry Southwest. When the kits hit the market in humid areas of the country the wing would twist around as the humidity changed. I went to a more conventional spruce spar wing construction but was able to maintain the self jigging aspect. The builder glued all the spars together on a ply joiner to slip the ribs over. Regards,
Stan Johnson : Saker : 31/05/2022

Hi Outerzone, I have built and flown the "Tiny Bit" which I converted to electric power [main pic]. The build was fiddly in parts and I would recommend going to 1/16 ribs; everything else is easy. Flying was good with a small drone motor on 2S it really speeds along. Once trimmed it flies really well. Thanks again for such a great resource which I really enjoy a lot. Regards,
Jono : Tiny Bit : 31/05/2022

Thanks Maciej, these are great photos. I have grabbed a couple of these and put them on the 1945 King Harry (oz3824) page.
SteveWMD : Prince Hal : 31/05/2022

See video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aLofZQ5Lt4
Pit : Sopwith Baby : 31/05/2022

Nice plans. Only I can not find the outlines of the rudder ribs?
Hans Slagter : P-51D Mustang 60 : 30/05/2022

Hi Mary and Steve. Pictures from the construction of the model that I made: https://pfmrc.eu/topic/80440-king-harry/
Maciej : Prince Hal : 30/05/2022

Hi Mary, done a couple of mods to my Soarer Major to help with floatability, l shaped the original ribs to an undercamber shape and increased the angle of dihedral, tried a hand launch this after noon and was please the way it floated far better than before. l plan to fly early tomorrow off of a bungee set up. Total flying weight including a 850 mah 3 cell lipo 794 grams, not sure if this info may help anyone. Kind regards,
Mark lrwing : Soarer Major : 30/05/2022

I like Mooney and Bostonian models.
Maciej : Monocoupe 110 Special : 30/05/2022

I haven't seen that issue with the plans being stretched.
Rc4Life2020 : Big Stik : 30/05/2022

No sneezing around this near an open window. Flawless work, Maciej :-)
Miguel : Monocoupe 110 Special : 30/05/2022

Hi Mary and Steve, some pics of new model the Monocoupe 110 Special [main pic, 006-010]. Scale 13 inch span.
Maciej : Monocoupe 110 Special : 30/05/2022

I'm interested in building this model. The build instruction pictures are dark, with the text not legible. Does anyone have a cleaner copy of the plan?
Steve : Drifty Primary Glider : 30/05/2022

Great for plane! This plane is great! It flies well, was easy to build, looks great, and is a really good plane overall I stuck to the plans for the most part, but I did have to make some modifications, such as adding servo covers, a carbon wing tube, and lengthening the nose. Overall, I could reccomend this plane to any pilot who wants an easy build and an amazing plane.
Kaleb : Fugly Stik : 29/05/2022

New wing ! Flys well....The bottem between mainspar and trailingegde is flat now (like Ugly Stick). No bad effekts...CG under mainspar, AoI 0 - 05 °...
Greetings from Germany
Reinhard Lehmann : Senior Falcon : 29/05/2022

Note unusual bellcrank position and no elevator was used, only flaps. On 15 Feb 1946 Carl Goldberg (employed in Comet at the time) applied for patent of this model. Probably they tried to sidestep Jim Walker patents in order to not pay royalties. Flap system invented by Louis Garami.
Pit : Whizzer : 29/05/2022

Hi, I have just built and flown the Dazzler [pics 008, 009]. It all went together very well and the electric conversion worked out well. Just three flights in and I like the way it flies. I think it is going to be fun. Thanks for all the great work I often enjoy browsing through the plans looking for new things to build and fly. Thanks again,
Jono : Dazzler : 28/05/2022

Hi Steve and Mary, Here are some photos of my recently completed Veron Robot [pics 010-012]. It flies very well and has been converted to aileron control, as well as electric power. Keep up the good work! It's great to see all the photos of proper Aeromodellers around the world. Best Regards,
Chris Royce : Robot : 28/05/2022

Thanks, I took a picture of my friend's model.
Martin Hurda : Goldberg Sailplane : 27/05/2022

The original Falcon 56 was designed by Carl Goldberg for radio control using single channel escapement radios and perhaps up to three controls including elevator and throttle. This was in 1962 when the kit first hit hobby shop shelves and sold like hotcakes. It was recommended for .09 engines, máximum .19. It was never designed to be a fully aerobatic model like the Senior Falcon was. My first Falcon was built in 1965 with a Medallion .15 and, believe it or not, free flight. I couldn't afford RC equipment and I loved the model.
The so-called "deluxe" version was when Carl had to increase prices and so, to compensate he included accessories such as horns, links etc, The standard version did not include any accessories. The Falcon went on to become the standard RC trainer for several years and Carl had the excellent idea updating it with wider fuselage, the possibility of adding ailerons, single piece fuselage sides and other updates including the possibility of using larger engines and modern proportional radios. After Carl's passing, more modern updates took place such as swept fin/rudder and plywood structure. I still think the beauty and fine performance of the Falcon design has never been superseded by any other model. Also Carl had the cute small Junior Falcon and the larger one Senior Falcon. Very few designs have been so well conceived. Carl was a genius, no doubt. We really miss him.
EDUARDO (From Colombia)
Eduardo : Falcon 56 : 27/05/2022

When the kit box says “deluxe”, it has the wider nose and a bit more hardware. My first Falcon was a deluxe from 1969 and flown in 1970 and flew with 3 channels of a four channel Orbit and OS .19.
Bob Dible : Falcon 56 : 27/05/2022

Paz na Terra aos lusófonos de boa vontade, ipso facto avessos ao Desacordo Cornográfico. Huey, Dewey, and Louie forever!
Miguel : Paulistinha : 26/05/2022

Good afternoon, I have enjoyed looking through your archive of aircraft plans, supporting photos, and articles. They bring back many memories.
I have attached some photographs of my VK Cherokee which may be of interest [main pic, 004, 005]. Apologies for the hair style! The photograph on the tarmac [main pic] was taken on the runway of the British Aircraft Corporation (formerly Vickers) factory in Weybridge, Surrey, UK. Historically this was the manufacturing site for the British V-Bombers (Victor, Valliant and Vulcan), and while I was there, the cockpit and tail fin of Concorde. Whilst the manufacturing facility and associated Apprentice Training School is now sadly long gone, the site is home to the Brooklands Museum which covers the site history, both aircraft manufacturing and motor racing. There remains a section of the banked racing track. The black and white photo [pic 005] was taken at the BAC Summer Show on site in a marquee where the various employee clubs showed off their wares. I was delighted to win a first with this model!
I was doing an Honours degree in Aeronautical Engineering at Kingston Polytechnic at the time, what was then described as a thick sandwich course, which included a couple of external placements in industry. I was lucky enough to spend the summer break and one term at BAC. My second placement was at RAE Farnborough. BAC had a small model club which was given access to the runway which was surreal for me at the time! You may notice I had to incorporate a cable operated friction brake (flapper) which straddled the twin nose leg. It was operated on full down elevator to keep the model in check prior to take off and after landing.
I built the Cherokee model in 1973/74 using the plan from the VK kit which a friend let me have. This was my first low wing model. The model was spray finished in Humbrol enamel paints over a traditional doped nylon covering (wings). The fuselage and tail were covered with heavy weight tissue and dope. I over-sprayed with a clear polyurethane varnish. I believe I took the colour scheme from a Beechcraft Bonanza. The engine was a Merco 61 twin plug 2-stoke glow engine. The radio was a Skyleader 4-channel set with Logitrol servos. I added some interest using draughting pens and ink to outline the cockpit windows, doors, surface hinges and some hatches/panel lines. Very effective.
The model was a delight to fly and, if my memory serves me correctly, I changed the motor to a Veco 61 with a Perry carburettor at some point. I don't recall what happened to the model. I think I did a part exchange.
Keith Cherrington : Cherokee : 26/05/2022

Hi Mary-n-Steve! I built a scaled down baby Ringmaster for TD .010 last fall [pic 014]. It's a cutie for sure. Desert Rat and Ringmaster 'Bebe. Go's like mad, thanks for the plans. Blessings, Stay safe,
Al Robinson : Baby Ringmaster : 26/05/2022

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